tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post4242463667318044590..comments2023-10-07T02:42:10.642-07:00Comments on Coalition for Kid-Friendly Schools: Grading for LearningFedUpMomhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00951858601020687242noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-34447283240992809242010-12-09T12:35:18.590-08:002010-12-09T12:35:18.590-08:00I agree, some things can't be learned without ...I agree, some things can't be learned without a sustained effort. But I think you learn that lesson when you study those things, not by pouring effort into things that don't require it. Either way, if you're going to grade, it makes sense to grade the performance, not the effort.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12919030671050831251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-75445701364386943272010-12-09T09:58:20.671-08:002010-12-09T09:58:20.671-08:00Chris - I was the same as a child. Never did my ho...Chris - I was the same as a child. Never did my homework, got horrible grades, then got a 98% on all end of year and standardized exams. Teachers couldn't figure out what was going on. Frankly, I was bored by homework and saw no value in it, so I just didn't do it. <br /><br />However, I did eventually have to learn to discipline myself to doing homework, because I needed it to learn algebra, so there is value in learning "how to do school." It teaches discipline and focus. It can tip too far into meaningless busy work, I grant, but there is some value in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-77950062170216897122010-12-05T10:56:08.602-08:002010-12-05T10:56:08.602-08:00Wow. Unbelievable! Again, I've found my kids&...Wow. Unbelievable! Again, I've found my kids' Blue Ribbon elementary school to be incredibly hypocritical and patronizing re: the parents. My daughter's second grade teacher couldn't write a grammatically correct paragraph but had no problem berating parents who forgot a homework sheet!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-4466958964762961762010-12-04T16:05:32.903-08:002010-12-04T16:05:32.903-08:00BTW, in case anyone thinks Glenn is exaggerating w...BTW, in case anyone thinks Glenn is exaggerating when he says "they evaluate us on our compliance", here's an <a href="http://articles.cnn.com/2000-05-30/us/parent.report.card_1_parent-school-communications-julie-woestehoff-report-cards?_s=PM:US" rel="nofollow">article</a> about a school that grades the parents!FedUpMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00951858601020687242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-86973087776967060182010-12-01T01:41:01.231-08:002010-12-01T01:41:01.231-08:00Thanks, Chris.Thanks, Chris.Glennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-88666694657257119032010-11-30T21:35:56.314-08:002010-11-30T21:35:56.314-08:00Glen -- At our elementary school the principal has...Glen -- At our elementary school the principal has explicitly compared the teachers to "supervisors" and the kids to "employees." You can take a look at the handout she distributed <a href="http://ablogaboutschool.blogspot.com/2009/10/whats-good-for-general-motors.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12919030671050831251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-55892093277729044332010-11-30T21:30:57.165-08:002010-11-30T21:30:57.165-08:00I was hoping to post something about this article ...I was hoping to post something about this article as well. I can't tell you how many times I've heard parents talk about how their kids do fine on the tests but get lower grades because they don't turn in the homework. Who cares if they turn in the homework? If they can do well on the tests without doing the homework (or turning it in), what does that say about the value of the homework?Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12919030671050831251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-75974464384713913222010-11-30T10:09:29.895-08:002010-11-30T10:09:29.895-08:00PsychMom says:
I like how Glen said that: They...PsychMom says:<br /><br />I like how Glen said that: They're good people who care about my kids and who work very hard to do what they think they should do.<br /><br />It's the same for me.<br /><br />In my child's school, a private school, it is very much about what the teachers think they should be doing. I'm never consulted. I pay them for what they're doing but it's never up to me to determine what they should be doing.<br />And I never see anything different going on in what happens from year to year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-82656462479106562482010-11-30T09:46:15.375-08:002010-11-30T09:46:15.375-08:00I'm just an ordinary dad with kids in school. ...I'm just an ordinary dad with kids in school. I couldn't help noticing the similarity in evaluation format between what my wife and I get from our employers and what our kids get from their schools. Except, our employers pay us to meet their needs, while we pay the schools to meet ours. So how is it that WE get evaluated based on our compliance from both directions?<br /><br />I really like my kids' teachers and the principal. They're good people who care about my kids and who work very hard to do what they think they should do. It's just that they seem to be adrift in a world where the goals are at best only vaguely related to my own, yet I'm required to pay for it while they evaluate us on our compliance.Glennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-4053924787652019382010-11-30T08:55:23.506-08:002010-11-30T08:55:23.506-08:00PsychMom says:
One interesting way to look at thi...PsychMom says:<br /><br />One interesting way to look at this whole education sham is to imagine what would happen if suddenly no grading was to occur in any school anywhere ever again.<br /><br />Why would kids go? Why would parents send them to school? Would they send them? Would they immediately be suspicious about what was ACTUALLY going on there? Would it suddenly be seen as only Childcare? And heavens, you don't need 4 year college grads to provide childcare...anybody can look after children. You see what I mean about our society not really valuing kids ...?<br /><br />Grading has become proof that teachers do something...the only proof that they have a role. In the US, it sounds as if grading has become a reason to pay teachers as well. Grading tells you nothing about a learner...absolutely nothing. It only tells you what the grader finds valuable or important.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com