tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post725343750867819819..comments2018-07-09T02:21:40.810-07:00Comments on Coalition for Kid-Friendly Schools: What is = ?FedUpMomhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00951858601020687242noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-87896296883950954692011-05-18T10:49:41.218-07:002011-05-18T10:49:41.218-07:00Considering that 100% of the teachers I've enc...Considering that 100% of the teachers I've encountered have attended education school and about 50% of them can't teach, I'm not too concerned about how raising expectations affects teaching schools because that system is utterly broken.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-61253596142485142742011-05-18T08:53:03.667-07:002011-05-18T08:53:03.667-07:00Maybe the Ed.schools could raise their admissions ...Maybe the Ed.schools could raise their admissions requirements a bit and still attract candidates. In my state the requirement is apparently that the candidate be able to fog glass. Supposedly my state has the highest standards in the country but I can't believe that that's true. My kid is getting worksheets day in and day out, too. At least I've put a stop to it at home.Kimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-62272736729256737442011-05-17T12:20:04.553-07:002011-05-17T12:20:04.553-07:00It would be great if every K-12 math teacher under...It would be great if every K-12 math teacher understood math concepts at a very high level *and* could communicate them to kids. But the higher you raise that expectation, the more likely it is that there won't be enough people meeting that description who are willing to choose K-12 teaching as a career. What then? I'm not sure how much of a difference ed schools can make in greatly expanding that pool of people.<br /><br />I don't know what the answer is. I do think that teaching experience helps, though, so it would be a good idea to make teaching a profession that people would want to stay in for a long time.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07559356125770114400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-9290336700761714962011-05-17T10:42:15.862-07:002011-05-17T10:42:15.862-07:00The point that you are making is a different one. ...The point that you are making is a different one. You are precisely correct that the typical K-12 teacher has such a limited understanding of the basic concepts that they fully embrace plug and chug - because they can do that. Before anyone get up in arsm with me, please know I agree that there are some really amazing instructors out there. But, I would argue that they are not the norm.<br /><br />I am greatly dismayed at some of the education-school math and science courses that I have examined. Many of these courses ask their college students (teachers in training) only to try the exercises that they'll teach - but, not to demonstrate understanding of the basic underpinnings.<br /><br />How could they shift to this alternative curriculum if they don't understand it? When I volunteer in the elementary school - it is not at all uncommon for me to hear them denigrate math, giggle at their lack of understanding, or thank me for covering science material that they don't fully get (in elementary school!).<br /><br />The other issue of getting and keeping bright, energetic and qualified teachers into our schools and keeping them - way too big to tackle in one blog.<br /><br />My poor second grader has seen nothing but worksheets, day in, day out all year. <br /><br />"How was your day today?"<br /><br />"Well, we did four worksheets for morning work, two for math, and one for science today".<br /><br />"Did you do anything else?"<br /><br />"Um, gym?"Khttp://raisingthewreckincrew.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-79931515417484460842011-05-17T07:03:42.881-07:002011-05-17T07:03:42.881-07:00Hienuri -- That's a smart way of teaching it. ...Hienuri -- That's a smart way of teaching it. It's so long ago now, I don't know -- maybe my teachers did do that. I might have been looking out the window . . .Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07559356125770114400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-58469171923826330292011-05-17T01:14:53.803-07:002011-05-17T01:14:53.803-07:00When I was learning how to do simultaneous equatio...When I was learning how to do simultaneous equations, the first thing the teacher did was prove to us that you could add equations together by adding simple equations such as 1 + 1 = 2 and 2 + 2 = 4 to get 3 + 3 = 6. I'm pretty sure everyone understood, because when the teacher asked, "Now, the sum of those two equations makes an equation that still works, right?" everyone just nodded and muttered, "Why wouldn't it work?"<br /><br />If every teacher took that 30 seconds to explain, there probably won't be as many students who don't understand math.Hienuri Kayleuetskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11706477882374399244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-1189835753427699202011-05-16T14:40:31.165-07:002011-05-16T14:40:31.165-07:00I would add that I am immensely skeptical about an...I would add that I am immensely skeptical about anyone with a revolutionary idea about teaching math. The chances that this could be successfully implemented by the schools are slim to none. On the other hand, a basically familiar approach like Singapore Math seems like a real-world possibility.FedUpMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00951858601020687242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-56281035059652930412011-05-16T14:13:09.758-07:002011-05-16T14:13:09.758-07:00OK, I agree with your basic point, I think. Yes, ...OK, I agree with your basic point, I think. Yes, it is possible to approach math in a mindless follow-the-steps, memorize-the-procedure, get-the-answer way. I would call this the "bad traditional method." Yes, it's much better to work towards a deeper understanding.<br /><br />My frustration comes from seeing the new-fangled curricula like Trailblazers at work. These curricula were designed in reaction to the bad traditional method, but in this case the cure has proven to be worse than the disease.<br /><br />I'd be very happy to see Singapore Math in our local schools. It would be a huge improvement over the nonsense they're using now.FedUpMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00951858601020687242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-7384609832611146702011-05-16T13:55:53.172-07:002011-05-16T13:55:53.172-07:00I am using Singapore with my oldest (homeschooling...I am using Singapore with my oldest (homeschooling) and that is better than the public school fare. <br /><br />But, as a professor of biology that teaches experimental design and statistics, I would still argue that computation without covering mathematics principles makes a boring curriculum with no modern context. Watch the podcast that I refer to in my previous comment for a better explanation of the problem, and a solution.Khttp://raisingthewreckingcrew.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-8683643546468995722011-05-16T11:23:04.891-07:002011-05-16T11:23:04.891-07:00I don't agree. What I see is that kids can...I don't agree. What I see is that kids can't even compute, and if they can't compute they can't hope to do the higher-order stuff.<br /><br />We don't need another big idea. We need to buckle down and just teach math. Singapore Math is an excellent curriculum. We don't need to re-invent the wheel.FedUpMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00951858601020687242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-63532233366727470452011-05-16T11:09:57.446-07:002011-05-16T11:09:57.446-07:00We have a real problem with math education. Conra...We have a real problem with math education. Conrad Wolfram is way better at explaining it than I am... but, ultimately - this rests on the fact that math and computation (arithmetic) are not the same thing. Kids that rock at math may or may not excel at arithmetic. And, that frankly, we don't really do arithmetic in modern life (that's why we have computers). But, we do math like crazy. <br /><br />As Conrad suggests - we need to turn math education completely on its head and worry about teaching math - not computation.<br /><br />http://blog.ted.com/2010/11/15/teaching-kids-real-math-with-computers-conrad-wolfram-on-ted-com/Khttp://raisingthewreckingcrew.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4184539467031647989.post-45827250510457724722011-05-16T08:31:14.685-07:002011-05-16T08:31:14.685-07:00Interesting, FedUpMom. I've always liked this...Interesting, FedUpMom. I've always liked this kind of math problem, and I've found that I do use this concept once in a while in everyday life. But until this moment I never thought about why you can get away with just adding two equations together to get an answer. Cool!Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07559356125770114400noreply@blogger.com